I have been reading through the prohibited items and I see that OEM is on there.
Is this an open and shut case, no OEM software?
I have some McAfee Internet Security 2010.
Thanks
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I have been reading through the prohibited items and I see that OEM is on there.
Is this an open and shut case, no OEM software?
I have some McAfee Internet Security 2010.
Thanks
in short no oem software is allowed
In short, there are at least 25 OEM software items for sale while I'm typing this.
I have reported literally hundreds to EBid, who remove individual listings, but then let the seller carry on listing or leave multiple listings for OEM software by the same seller.
I have ended up reporting the site to Microsoft. I am a MS Authourised reseller and allowing this to go on seriously damages business.
EBid do 'the minimum' when you report OEM software listings and have shown NO improvement in dealing with it in six months.
Please contact support and clarify the user name you refer to. Thanks
no disrespect mark but quite a few of us are sick to our back teeth of reporting sellers for blantent breaches of listing rules only for them to be ignored by support.... I have reported sellers via report auction and with emails to support and nothing happens.....
in the last week I have reported someone for "selling" vouchers sent via email, another one had 112 pre order items (this one I reported under "other see comments"... shame no one read the comments as only the one listing I reported was removed) and another seller who is using their online e commerce website as a water mark on all their auctions.... not one of the reported sellers has had anything done about their listings (apart from the one listing being removed)
Months ago Gazza aske for help "policing" the site but why should we waste our time doing so if no one takes any action when we do.... I only do it now when I am bored and have nothing better to do, knowing full well that very little will happen.
What #5 said.
I've reported hundreds of OEM software auctions and at very best, you'll remove the reported item and leave the same user with 20 other auctions running. I got sick of doing it so reported you and the sellers to Microsoft. I've also written to you SEVERAL times over this issue and you've done precisely NOTHING about it.
You were quick enough to completely ban me for selling public domain items which are totally legal everywhere in the world except ebid, but you consistently allow OEM software sellers to break the law every day !!
It is your venue, you should police it properly.
Here is another example of an OEM seller who you've ignored several reports about. Auction number 23917237.
According to my email records, I've reported this 14 times. But there it is, still running and the member still selling. That's a joke. How can you ask members to police your site and then allow sales like that to continue anyway ?
Before you send a condescending reply about where the report button is, here's my advice. Get one of your staff to use your own search facility for 'OEM' and remove any software items and ban repeat offenders. Not rocket science really.
Ebid Rules are that you are not able to sell OEM Software, its their site so they can have what rules they like.
The actual Rule is different, you are able to sell OEM Software.
Basic info is that anyone who has bought a item with bundled software can resell it.
Can't think at the moment, but what is OEM software
I agree that it should be enforced to some degree, I think they should allow a couple of listings for each seller, use common sense.
One of the main reasons they are not allowed is that they are easier to counterfeit and we don't want the site to be like i*ffer.
OEM software is not for resale at all under any circumstances. Doesn't matter if you get it bundled with something or not. Try reading the EULA of any piece of OEM software. It is for distribution with appropriate hardware only. E.G. An OEM Operating system can only be distributed with a new PC. Bundled software that comes with, for example, a DVD writer, cannot be resold on it's own. End of story. It's got nothing to do with interpretation or allowing people a couple of illegal listings each.
It's the rules on EBid and, more importantly, it's the law. Ebid's enforcement of it is pathetic.
#11 & 12
I was talking about acting on listing rules in general not just OEM :)
And I agree with you 100% mate. The general enforcement of listing rules is awful here. They make really silly rules and enforce them and ignore the more serious ones.
Thanks for the information.
It means you can't sell an old copy of a Microsoft programme which is now out dated but useful to someone else? You have to throw it out?
OEM
OEM stands for Original equipment Manufacturer.
It means they make the bits that go into a computer.
OEM software usually means software that came with the machine, without all the original disks and manuals etc.
And my Dad used to sell computers in the 1980s and 1990's and software is not sold - its licenced. And that means only the original purchaser can use it.
If you sell the computer, legally, you have to remove all the software.
Its a silly rule. But that is the rule.
What they don't want is 2 people using the software.
Its a really gray area.
If you are a legitimate dealer, then I hope you can get it sorted.
I would like to buy a legit copy of Office 2010 Professional as I am stuck on 2004.
Its about $900 in the retail shops here in NZ.
Then I see it on auction sites for $99 with a disk and key?
So I don't see how that can be done legally.
Well...this actually say policy from ''Feebay''....
Policy overview
Certain types of software—including academic, beta, and OEM software—aren’t allowed on eBay, or certain restrictions apply when listing them, as described below.
Make sure your listing follows these guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.
So in the end rules of the games very simple ''Feebay'' can't check every item every minutes from all sellers who list items all the time...BUT other peoples from the ''VERO'' will check similar items and will report this item on ''Feebay'' and after that ''Feebay'' will remove item...and top of that because of millions of listing day to day is not really easy to find similar items in couple minutes or even days so some sellers list and sell before anybody notice or even the buyers who find this stuff or buy not give report for ''Feebay''...and for that only reason many sellers take ''risk'' and list similar items...In the end in my opinion is better to NOT play this game with similar items which is not allowed for sale on various auction sites and can cause big trouble for the seller...AMEN...
I don’t understand why you keep writing for same stuff over and over…as you say you have nice sales on ‘’Feebay’’ and in your own web site why you complaining in here…?
If this auction site don’t work for you and you not listen any help where members give to you and try to help you, no other way just stay where you been before and make some money for yourself…heheh…good luck….
I see you have repeated his swearing and illegal link to his website by quoting his post http://www.tazbarusher.com/rolleyes.gif
''babe'''...she need ''legal''...computer software...heh...better for you to buy and pay for original stuff in legal stores and get for that much money real stuff which you can use for next a 100 years...BUT like I say many times many other don't care and play ''risky'' game and guess what ? we have new winner and this time is our ''neighbour'' and same story all over...heheheheh...
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ot...#ixzz1GmLMJCWs
any software like that , which is new and with key , is a fake copy with stolen key. You can use those keys a million times go to torrent sites and you will see all that software posted to download free , its a big problem for software companies and every time someone buys illegal software they are supporting criminal organizations including a lot of asian and russian mafias and all the way to al qaeda. Those are the kind of groups who usually are in the business of selling and distribution of pirated software.
Why do people buy Fake branded name items…? And many know if is very cheap is it a fake…
I always thinking too maybe it’s purely for the label. Most people can't afford,
So they resort to buying the knockoffs so they can be in fashion without spending the money…some people will do anything to be accepted…
But for software is very different story…fake software can harm your computer and your personal information on it…and funny things is ''YOU'' are paying for that…heheh…
I just wanted to add to this. (Hopefully you won't mind)
OEM products are to be bundled because they come with no support. The hardware company that sold you the product is responsible for support of the oem product. Hence why it usually is missing manuals etc. (As your supposed to know what your doing)
OEM software is usually bought in bulk, and offered discount by the publisher for not needing support, manuals etc. It is not meant to be sold to the public because it undercuts the retail version and hurts retailers.
I don't mind using non OEM programs if they work, and in fact, have some on my computer and absolutely no problems. I don't see wasting my hard-earned money for an OEM program if the other one works just the same, and costs less, or is free. Oh yes, I do understand that doesn't sound like music to the ears of those selling OEM stuff, but this is the cost of doing business. This is your competition.
To sell OEM Software is not allowed.
I used to deal with software, hence the name, but OEM software is not allowed to be sold, However, i believe you can get around selling oem software If you sell the software you bought the item with. For example, if you buy a laptop that comes with a oem windows 7 ultimate, you can sell that windows 7 with the laptop. It is not allowed to seperate the 2, but to sell them as one appears to be fine.
Since being away from Ebid for a long while, I read with interest this thread. I think I may have got off on the wrong foot all that time ago, in frustration at the lack of sales I was getting. I think I may have said a few things that got up the nose of the admin, or the staff or whatever. But I would like to apologize for my use of words with regards to that.
So to all concerned, I`m sorry.
I don`t want to open up a can of worms, but I have in the past reported `chinese` copies of Windows 7 and they have been removed within a day or two. If the same seller keeps selling them, then he/she should be banned, same as on Fleebay. I notice a lot of Windows 7 with the Yellow Ingram Micro Sticker on it. This is a BIG give away. It`s fake, it has an MSDN key that`ll be blocked after a few months. I learned the hard way, I used to sell the keys themselves, thinking that it was okay to do so. I didn`t know any better at the time. So I got fined by Microsoft and lost thousands to the Chinese crooks on `that` trade site in China.
The up side to that, is I have had direct links to the legal department in Reading, and the staff there have helped me big time. I now understand the rules behind OEM software, the licencing etc, etc. I have been allowed to Register as a Partner and have also had access to the Refurbisher Program even though I ripped off their software. Microsoft have been very kind to me.
The reason I think OEM software is not allowed on ebid is because there is no support from the makers of the program concerned. Support has to come from the seller/builder. Seeing as the seller is on an auction site, but then leaves the site, then the buyer cannot trace the seller for support.
OEM software isn`t allowed on Fleebay, but you still see it rampant because no-body bothers reporting them anymore. There are American Education Office software sold on there which isn`t supposed to be sold over in the UK, but it happens, and the sellers concerned have gotten away with it for years.
As Ebid gets more known, with more sellers and more listings being posted everyday, it`ll get harder and harder for them to police it themselves. This is why it is important to have a trusting community of people who care for the rules and report listings responsibly. The problem now though with Fleebay is that there are sellers reporting other sellers who have the same `legit` items as a way of taking there listings down because they are too cheap and are stealing their business. Fleebay remove the listing automatically without even looking at the listing properly.
The fact is, Microsoft don`t have a problem with sellers selling OEM software without hardware, as long as you state categorically that it is for use with a new computer in the listing. As soon as I got Microsoft to send me an email with this on and forwarded to Fleebay, my listings got put back on, only to be removed a couple of days later for breaching OEM software listings rules; after being reported by some software organisation in America.
Respect to all on Ebid. And again, please accept my apologies if I was off-hand all those months ago. I didn`t really read the terms and conditions properly, and I should have before I went on a rant.
All the best.
With regards to selling Operating Systems from Microsoft or Apple, or any expensive software. Should we not have a rule whereby the seller must post a photo of the actual product instead of an internet picture? This way it is easier to make an informed decision as to wether the product is genuine or not.
I have just had a reply from a seller stating that they are too busy to post a proper photo. While this may be the case, and a genuine answer, it would not help the sale of the item as there are way too many counterfeit products which show a similar picture (albeit a little cheaper). Would this not help the seller to sell the item, as well as the buyer to buy?
Personally as a buyer, I like to see a photo of the actual item rather than a stock item. As a seller, I do not list things until I have had the time to photograph the item myself. It may not be the same fanciness as an internet picture, but at least it is a photo of the actual thing being listed.
http://uk.ebid.net/for-sale/windows-...9601.htm#qanda
Take a look at this listing, and then read the questions I asked the seller. I did not expect an answer like this. How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision on buying this product.
While my listings do have stock internet pictures, I am a genuine seller of the shown products. And they are all brand new, sealed and come straight from distributors/wholesalers. However, I do feel that when selling expensive software products, a picture of the actual product should be shown.
This seller, states that what if he uses a proper photo from the internet, perhaps from Fleebay. I might buy one and it`ll still turn out to be dodgy, but at least there is a photo. What comes after is entirely up to the authorities.
Showing a proper photo is both helpful for the seller, in order to sell the product; and for the buyer, to make a purchase based on that.
Giving this sellers response to my questions, I am still not convinced that the product is genuine.
What a rude response to your question!!! Another one added to my BB list......thanks!
Blimey! I have to say I am not at all impressed by that persons attitude. In thier shoes I would quite happily supply a photo of the item - even if it wasnt a marvellous picture. Even more offputting they have added "No silly questions"... Erm, personally as a seller, I welcome questions. Someone messages you, you reply (nicely), and they may be more likely to buy from you seeing that you are active and polite.
Purely playing the devils advocate here. I can see where he is coming form (not the tone of his comments, just the content)
It is very easy to take your own photo against a white background then use something like photoshop or Gimp to adjust the levels so that the background disappears. if he did this how would yo know if it was a photo of his product or one taken from elsewhere? It would be impossible to tell and what more information would it give you?
I suppose my point (and kind of what he was getting at) is what would be the point of an actual photo - FOR THIS ITEM? Yes, actual photo of an antique lamp, or a self made greetings card or a second hand book. But this is a disk with software on it. Unless the purchaser is hoping to buy it and then sell it on which would be harder if the box was damaged
We have thousands of items. Sometimes I use stock photos, sometimes take our own, sometimes jsut drawings. But all that is fine because they are nuts & bolts etc - and they all pretty much look the same. it is the measurements that are important
I am setting up an online shop for a customer at the moment to sell norwegian knitted jumpers. They are going to use stock photos
So, it is all about context, that particular seller is simply asking (in a rude way) what is the point of a real photo in this item if the one he takes looks exactly the same?
Its purely for authentication purposes. To make an informed decision on wether the software is genuine or not. It is easier to do that with a proper photo. If it still turns out to be pirated, then the seller is in more trouble that if it was removed due to the photo `proving` that it is pirate.
He`s harassing me with questions on my product now...
http://uk.ebid.net/for-sale/amd-semp...1326.htm#qanda
Sorry, but that does not look like harassment. (Look at it as if it were someone you did not know) it is a simple and relevant question, and he gives abit of advice also. Have you two got previous? He seems to know a lot about your history (keys)
I think this is all a bit handbags at dawn. To be nit picky, your original question to him was quite accusatory "If you have this, and it is genuine can we please have a photo?" If you asked that of me it would certainly get my back up. He is quite right to point out that a photo will not prove it is genuine. In fact I could ask how we know your products are genuine? Because it is a nice clear photo?
Sorry, I am not picking sides, take a step back and review and you will see you are falling out over nothing
If this was me, and I was suspicious about the auction - I would not have asked a question, just moved on to another seller where I felt more comfortable
After all, and at the end of the day, buyer beware