The Science of Creationism
This appears to be a topic that can not easily or objectively be discussed. I was hoping to get some serious and helpful insights concerning this important topic. If anyone has references of scholarly material on this topic, it would be greatly appreciated. Also would appreciate if you could take the time to respond to the poll.
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I've come to this topic rather late to vote but here's my two pennies. You ask whether I believe in evolution as if this is about faith not science. There is evidence that lead to and continues to support the theory of evolution. It isn't a case of do I believe it or not, the evidence exists and the theory based on it is sound. I could, perhaps, if I knew more about it, question some of the interpretations arising from the evidence, but that's not the same thing as not believing in evolutionary theory.
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Evolution is not a theory, it's a fact! The story of evolution is unraveling as science advances.
There are of course theory's within evolution where the facts are not so clear cut and have to be researched over and over until an answer emerges.
Just one example; The gas in your car crushes the creation theory as oil took millions of years to 'CREATE'
No other industry has spent so much understanding the science of oil and where it comes from.
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Pink_Panther
Evolution is not a theory, it's a fact! The story of evolution is unraveling as science advances.
There are of course theory's within evolution where the facts are not so clear cut and have to be researched over and over until an answer emerges.
Just one example; The gas in your car crushes the creation theory as oil took millions of years to 'CREATE'
No other industry has spent so much understanding the science of oil and where it comes from.
I remember, as a child visiting the Brea Tar Pits, being told by someone there that the tar/oil was from dead dinosaurs. I thought that was very odd, and made no sense to me.
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I voted that I don't believe either theory as I don't actually give two hoots about where I might have come from.
LOL! :) You and me both; IMHO where we came from is less important than where we're going. Toleration and kindness (within reason) are my religion of choice.
Best wishes for many sales to all,
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At my age, I think I'm a little more concerned about where I'm going! If evolution is true, then I guess this is it?
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I remember, as a child visiting the Brea Tar Pits, being told by someone there that the tar/oil was from dead dinosaurs. I thought that was very odd, and made no sense to me.
Scientists used to ponder on why so many predators were found in tar pits. The answer was simple because lots of predators became trapped trying to get themselves an easy meal as the tried to reach trapped prey animals. Hence the unusual ratio.
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Scientists used to ponder on why so many predators were found in tar pits. The answer was simple because lots of predators became trapped trying to get themselves an easy meal as the tried to reach trapped prey animals. Hence the unusual ratio.
Wonder if that's why we find so many predators in DC? :)
Best wishes for many sales to all,
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This appears to be a topic that can not easily or objectively be discussed. I was hoping to get some serious and helpful insights concerning this important topic. If anyone has references of scholarly material on this topic, it would be greatly appreciated. Also would appreciate if you could take the time to respond to the poll.
Note: You can select multiple answers.
What do you want references on exactly, natural selection, genetics etc or do you mean evolution v creationism? If it's the later I don't think you'll find much available from the scientific viewpoint.
Be careful, you wouldn't want to get me into bore mode! I spent some time tracking the evolution of various single celled creatures through the rocks of NW Europe in my earlier days. I could go on for some time!
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kedo
What do you want references on exactly, natural selection, genetics etc or do you mean evolution v creationism? If it's the later I don't think you'll find much available from the scientific viewpoint.
Be careful, you wouldn't want to get me into bore mode! I spent some time tracking the evolution of various single celled creatures through the rocks of NW Europe in my earlier days. I could go on for some time!
Hi Kedo, more along the lines of evolutionism vs creationism. Actually, there is a large body of scientific evidence available for the later. I am certainly not an expert on the issue, but there are many scientist who have addressed this issue.
I enjoy detail and do not find it boring, so feel free to expound. I can not promise that I will agree, but what's the difference any way? :)
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I voted that I don't believe either theory as I don't actually give two hoots about where I might have come from.
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LOL! :) You and me both; IMHO where we came from is less important than where we're going. Toleration and kindness (within reason) are my religion of choice.
Yes, it is more important where we are going. However, each theory does weigh in on the destination though. We all have choice in the matter, what to believe. Justice, fairness, kindness are all admirable traits - particularly when applied to "leaders". I choose relationship over religion , because the later can be so unjust, unfair, and unkind too often.
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burgyeb
Hi Kedo, more along the lines of evolutionism vs creationism. Actually, there is a large body of scientific evidence available for the later. I am certainly not an expert on the issue, but there are many scientist who have addressed this issue.
There's a lot that's presented as such. Very little, if any, of it is! I've actually been through a lot of this literature out of interest. Check out my book listings to see some of what I've read (now getting rid of it). I don't think many serious scientists would want to address the issue. It would be a bit like getting involved in an argument over whether the Earth was flat.
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I have more degrees in theology than in science. For me the very idea that people raise questions about creationism is a curiosity.
It suggests that people start with what they believe, in this case creationism, and go look for reasons to support it. It would be better to have well educated preachers who know how to read the bible and tell people what it means than to have literalists who have not understood the Bible well enough to interpret its meaning.
As a Christian I embarassed that that creationists try to say they are right. It is as horrifying as extreme Islam.
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I have more degrees in theology than in science. For me the very idea that people raise questions about creationism is a curiosity.
It suggests that people start with what they believe, in this case creationism, and go look for reasons to support it. It would be better to have well educated preachers who know how to read the bible and tell people what it means than to have literalists who have not understood the Bible well enough to interpret its meaning.
As a Christian I embarassed that that creationists try to say they are right. It is as horrifying as extreme Islam.
Was speaking of actual scientist who happen to be Christian and some who are not. I have always felt priveledged to live in a country where there is freedom of speech and freedom of religion. The freedom to believe whatever someone chooses to believe. To be protected by a Declaration of Independence and A Constitution, to do just that. As I was saying I have little liking of "religion" or "theology" (added) both of which have very little to do with relationship. Just check out the Old Testament Pharasee and Scribes; would have to look high and low to find a more biting and toxic group.
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I agree with freedom of speech, and would defend the right of people to say what they believe.
However, when I observe the sheer number of creationists in the US, I would assert my opinion that something has gone badly wrong with Christianity. What is wrong? Well the Reformation taught us that we can read the Bible for ourselves, but when it become that preachers, unbridled by responsibility to academic norms about how the Bible can be understood, sway half a nation, the parallel I make is that McDonalds have freedom of speech to persuade us that their burgers are good for us.
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Whatever! God Bless America! Home of the Brave and the FREE!
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This is religion v reality!
While we all like to believe the best of humanity,
we ARE animals just the same as your pet cat or dog.
The difference is that we are the dominant species on earth.
To think that some GOD almighty BEING created us especially is arrogant.
We are the product of millions of years of evolution and chance, natural and earth shattering events etc etc.
We are intelligent beings (supposedly) we should use our brains and logic and put ourselves firmly in our place within the universe.
We are a minute speck of dust in the cosmos that could disappear in a heartbeat.
Live your life and cherish what evolution has brought you and then rejoice in the promise and also dread the future as mankind emerges into a future that is anything but certain.
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We all know religion and politics starts wars lol So wars and fights aside.
I like to think I was created and not mutated and ALL me parts are wonderfully made/Created.
I will keep up my faith in the GOOD BOOK and let the world do and say what it wants too.
Its called free will to each individual
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I agree IT is not the Bible that is false its those that teach it incorrectly
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They can take away our Freedom of speech but they cant take our thoughts and prayers away from us.
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billsbooks
I have more degrees in theology than in science. For me the very idea that people raise questions about creationism is a curiosity.
It suggests that people start with what they believe, in this case creationism, and go look for reasons to support it. It would be better to have well educated preachers who know how to read the bible and tell people what it means than to have literalists who have not understood the Bible well enough to interpret its meaning.
As a Christian I embarassed that that creationists try to say they are right. It is as horrifying as extreme Islam.
Other way round for me, more in science than theology (i.e. none) but I agree with you.
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Pink_Panther
This is religion v reality!
While we all like to believe the best of humanity,
we ARE animals just the same as your pet cat or dog.
The difference is that we are the dominant species on earth.
To think that some GOD almighty BEING created us especially is arrogant.
We are the product of millions of years of evolution and chance, natural and earth shattering events etc etc.
We are intelligent beings (supposedly) we should use our brains and logic and put ourselves firmly in our place within the universe.
We are a minute speck of dust in the cosmos that could disappear in a heartbeat.
Live your life and cherish what evolution has brought you and then rejoice in the promise and also dread the future as mankind emerges into a future that is anything but certain.
You're just throwing the baby out with the bathwater! :eek:
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billsbooks
I agree with freedom of speech, and would defend the right of people to say what they believe.
However, when I observe the sheer number of creationists in the US, I would assert my opinion that something has gone badly wrong with Christianity. What is wrong? Well the Reformation taught us that we can read the Bible for ourselves, but when it become that preachers, unbridled by responsibility to academic norms about how the Bible can be understood, sway half a nation, the parallel I make is that McDonalds have freedom of speech to persuade us that their burgers are good for us.
Well the burgers are good just not good for you.LOL There comes the fallacy and parallel that persaudes us.