Guidance Please

[raindropsies]

Where can I research for vinyls?

The reason I ask is that I have for the very first time come across some 10 inchs, and a vinyl thats not black, it has a picture on both sides.

Where would be best to start as google has too many hits to go through

Many thanks

[WindsorBear]

Sarah, are these 10" LPs, or 10" 78's?

[Bossjock]

Coloured Vinyls and Picture Discs are usually Limitied Editions Sarah so might attract a slighty better to good price depending on the Artist and Rarety, but not guaranteed. Pop into your local Library (WH Smiths) and look up the 'Record Collector' Guide. Costs about £25 to buy I believe, but if you've got a couple of bits of info from the Discs - Artist, Title & Catalogue No. - you should be able to gleen sufficient info. Just bear in mind that the Catalogue Price is as a Guide only, the Disc only has the value of what a buyer will pay so auction it thoughtfully

[SantasWonderland]

Hi Raindropsies2
If it is valued at £4 or more you can look the artist and title up in record collector. if you have not got one contact me through the message system with the information and i'll have alook for you? or try

http://www.recordcollectormag.com/issues/issues-list

or try

http://eil.com/visitorcentre/aboutus.asp


and just incase your interested


History
The basic parameters of the music single were established in the late 1800s, when the gramophone record began to supersede phonograph cylinders in commercial music. Gramophone discs were manufactured with a range of playback speeds (from 16 rpm to 78 rpm) and in several sizes (including 12"). By around 1910, however, the 10-inch 78 rpm shellac disc had become the most commonly used format.
The inherent technical limitations of the gramophone disc defined the standard format for commercial recordings in the early 1900s. The relatively crude disc cutting techniques of the time and the thickness of the needles used on record players limited the number of grooves per inch that could be inscribed on the disc surface, and a relatively high rotation speed was necessary to achieve acceptable recording and playback fidelity. 78 rpm was chosen as the standard because of the introduction of the electrically powered synchronous turntable motor in 1925, which ran at 3600 rpm with a 46:1 gear ratio, resulting in a rotation speed of 78.26 rpm.
These factors, combined with the 10" diameter of standard discs, thereby limited the duration of recording available on each side of a disc to around three minutes. These manufacturing limits in turn exerted a direct effect on the composition of music, as songwriters and performers increasingly tailored their output to fit the new medium.
The 3-minute single remained the standard into the 1960s when the availability of microgroove recording and improved mastering techniques enabled recording artists to increase the duration of their recordings—The Beatles' 1968 7-minute single "Hey Jude" was a deliberate challenge to this long-standing 3-minute standard for pop singles.
Singles have been issued on various formats, including 7-inch, 10-inch and 12-inch vinyl discs (usually playing at 45 rpm); 10-inch shellac discs (playing at 78 rpm); cassette, 3 and 5-inch CD singles and 7-inch plastic flexi discs. Other, less common, formats include singles on digital compact cassette, DVD, and LD, as well as many non-standard sizes of vinyl disc (5", 8", etc.).

45 rpm gramophone record


The most common form of the vinyl single is the 45, the name for which is derived from its play speed, 45 rpm. The standard diameter of a 45 is 7".
The 7" 45 rpm record was introduced in 1949 by RCA as a smaller, more durable and higher-fidelity replacement for the 78 rpm shellac discs. The first 45 rpm records were monaural, with recordings on both sides of the disc. As stereo recordings became popular in the 1960s, almost all 45 rpm records were produced in stereo by the early 1970s.
Although 7" remained the standard size for vinyl singles, 12" singles were introduced for use by DJs in discos in the 1970s. The longer playing time of these singles allowed the inclusion of extended dance mixes of tracks. The 12" single is still considered a standard format for dance music, though its popularity has declined in recent years.
The sales of singles are recorded in record charts in most countries in a Top 40 format. These charts are often published in magazines and numerous television shows and radio programs count down the list. In order to be eligible for inclusion in the charts the single must meet the requirements set by the charting company, usually governing the number of songs and the total playing time of the single.
In popular music, the relative commercial and artistic importance of the single (as compared to the EP or album) has varied over time, technological development, and according to the audience of particular artists and genres. Singles have generally been more important to artists who sell to the youngest purchasers of music (younger teenagers and pre-teens), who tend to have more limited financial resources and shorter attention spans. Perhaps the golden age of the single was on "45's" in the 1950s and early 1960s in the early years of rock music. Starting in the mid-sixties, albums became a greater focus and more important as artists created albums of uniformly high quality and coherent themes, a trend which reached its apex in the development of the concept album. Over the 1980s and 1990s, the single has generally received less and less attention as albums, which on compact disc had virtually identical production and distribution costs but could be sold at a higher price, became most retailers' primary method of selling music. The single became almost exclusively a promotional tool for radio play and to appear on television via the video clip.
Dance music, however, has followed a different commercial pattern, and the single, especially the 12-inch vinyl single, remains a major method by which dance music is distributed.
As of 2006, the single seems to be undergoing something of a revival. Commercial music download sites reportedly sell mostly single tracks rather than whole albums, and the increase in popularity seems to have rubbed off on physical formats.[1] Portable audio players, which make it extremely easy to load and play songs from many different artists, are claimed to be a major factor behind this trend.
A related development has been the popularity of mobile phone ringtones based on pop singles (on some modern phones, the actual single can be used as a ringtone). In September 2007, Sony BMG announced they will introduce a new type of CD single, called "ringles", for the 2007 holiday season. The format will include three songs by an artist, plus a ringtone that is accessible from the user's computer. Sony also announced plans to release 50 ringles in October and November, while Universal Music Group expects to release somewhere between 10 and 20 titles.[2]
In a reversal of this trend, a single has been released based on a ringtone itself. The Crazy Frog ringtone, which had become a cult hit in Europe in 2004, was released as a mashup with Axel F in June 2005 amid a massive publicity campaign and subsequently hit #1 on the UK charts


Regards from Santa45

[raindropsies]

Sarah, are these 10" LPs, or 10" 78's?

Coloured Vinyls and Picture Discs are usually Limitied Editions Sarah so might attract a slighty better to good price depending on the Artist and Rarety, but not guaranteed. Pop into your local Library (WH Smiths) and look up the 'Record Collector' Guide. Costs about £25 to buy I believe, but if you've got a couple of bits of info from the Discs - Artist, Title & Catalogue No. - you should be able to gleen sufficient info. Just bear in mind that the Catalogue Price is as a Guide only, the Disc only has the value of what a buyer will pay so auction it thoughtfully

Sorry for delay folks,

Windsor, both 10" are vinyls I believe as it says 45rpm on them. They are both from a group called the Lemonheads (who ever they are)
I have looked on the other side & found both
One is there a few times and priced at 99p

However the one below is only there once and priced at £14.99


Now regards the 12" 45rpm vinyl (below), I have only found this on one site, called vinyl tap and its priced at £14.25 but where the condition is it says /EX which I presume is excellent



NowI have checked all vinyls and all seem to be in very very good condition, the sleeve on the picture vinyl is torn in 1 corner and generally shows sign of age.

Also thankyou to santa for the history of the vinyl

Does anyone have extra advice, because TBH I am in the very early stages of learning about this field

[Huddylion]

Sarah i think the others have pretty well summed it up for you,
As for vinyl tap he is from huddersfield , for some reason they seem to price there records really high i don't know why, maybe because they target the usa trade and think they might pay more i don't know, he seems to be doing something right looking at his feedback, i take it you found his website , he is also on feebay, the big gay heart i have found somewhere else at £6.99 as a limitted edition 10'',also found another 10'' limited edition e.p which yours is priced at £4.95.
The 99p ones you saw were 7'' 45's NOT your 10'' ones.

As for the black one has it any writing on it at all ???

[raindropsies]

Sarah i think the others have pretty well summed it up for you,
As for vinyl tap he is from huddersfield , for some reason they seem to price there records really high i don't know why, maybe because they target the usa trade and think they might pay more i don't know, he seems to be doing something right looking at his feedback, i take it you found his website , he is also on feebay, the big gay heart i have found somewhere else at £6.99 as a limitted edition 10'',also found another 10'' limited edition e.p which yours is priced at £4.95.
The 99p ones you saw were 7'' 45's NOT your 10'' ones.

As for the black one has it any writing on it at all ???

Firstly yes I found vinyl taps website as it was on page 2 of google,

Now you say the black one, slightly confused LOL, which black one as both 10"s are black vinyls or have I missed something.

Also the ones on the other side, I missed them only being 7"

[Huddylion]

LOL now i'm confused thought you had some that were just black with nothing else on doooooooooooh @ me

[SantasWonderland]

Neither of The Lemonheads vinyl are in the 2008 Record Collector, or in any of the back issues I have which go back to 1995.

Same for the Jungle Brothers picture disc,


AS for value no matter what any experts or books say it's worth At the end of the day, it's only worth what the winner bidder is willing to pay.


AND AGAIN IF YOUR INTERESTED

The Lemonheads are an American alternative rock band, formed in 1986 by singer/guitarist Evan Dando, who has been the only constant member.
Since forming, recording, and touring lineups of the band have also included co-founder Ben Deily, John Strohm (Blake Babies), Doug Trachten, Jesse Peretz, Corey Loog Brennan, Byron Hoag, Ben Daughtry, Juliana Hatfield (Blake Babies), Nic Dalton (Godstar, Sneeze, The Plunderers), Dave Ryan, Patrick "Murph" Murphy (Dinosaur Jr), Bill Gibson (Eastern Dark), Mark 'Budola' Newman, Kenny Lyon, Vess Ruhtenberg, Devon Ashley, Karl Alvarez, Bill Stevenson, P. David Hazel and various others.
The Lemonheads' popularity grew in 1992 with the album It's a Shame about Ray which was produced, engineered, and mixed by The Robb Brothers (Bruce Robb, Dee, and Joe), followed by a cover of Simon and Garfunkel's "Mrs. Robinson", which eventually became one of the band's most successful singles to date. Cited as one of the most important alternative rock groups, The Lemonheads were active until 1997 and went on hiatus, but reformed with a new lineup in 2005 and released The Lemonheads in the following year. The band has been working on their next album that should be released in late 2008/early 2009


The Jungle Brothers are an American hip hop group who pioneered the fusion of jazz and hip-hop and also became the first hip-hop group to use a house-music producer. They began performing in the mid-1980s and released their first album, Straight Out the Jungle, in 1988 (see 1988 in music). With Afrocentric lyrics and innovative beats, the Jungle Brothers were critically acclaimed and soon joined the influential Native Tongues Posse.[1] The trio is comprised of Michael Small (Mike Gee), Nathaniel Hall (Afrika Baby Bam) and Sammy Burwell (DJ Sammy B). Sammy B left the group after the group released Raw Deluxe.


Happy selling regards from Santa

[raindropsies]

Neither of The Lemonheads vinyl are in the 2008 Record Collector, or in any of the back issues I have which go back to 1995.

Same for the Jungle Brothers picture disc,


AS for value no matter what any experts or books say it's worth At the end of the day, it's only worth what the winner bidder is willing to pay.


Happy selling regards from Santa

Can I ask 1 more question to you please. The 2008 record collector, I guess that if it isn't in there then it's not really classed as collectible if you know what I mean, or is it that they are unable to cover all records. I know this may be a silly question to you, but to me it's a question I need to ask

I fully agree with you on the vinyl is only worth the price someone is willing to pay. So in these instances (like my other 55 vinyls) I will start the price at what I am happy with, without me being too greedy,

Here's me thinking that a vinyl is just a vinyl, how wrong could I have been I think I need to research whenever possible all vinyls that I am going to list. ( I have about 200 more to list), it's a good job that I have the lime-time membership