Music Category help please

[klj]

I am planning on asking for a category in CD's for crooners like Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, etc. Most of the music is 1940's but not Big Band.

Would you like to see Crooners? or 1940's? or something else?

Please help and I'll request the category.

Right now there is nothing for this type of music and it's spread out all over, from rock to easy listening to other.

[CrazyJay]

I would certainly use a 1940's music category in CDs and in vinyl

BUT - How far should it be split down?

I know that when you say 1940's you automaticaly assume big band, and it's not all big band - but rather than thinning it out too much, how about we think about what musics were dominant in that era.

Big Band / Jazz / Swing / R&B.

Crooners really emerged from the ranks of the Big bands and swing outifts - Frank Sinatra, so I don't know whether a specific category for them would be beneficial or not.

[klj]

I'd be happy with 1940's, and there is Big Band already (although it's called Big Beat for some reason), Jazz and R&B, so swing is the only other main distinguishing style left out.

Shall I ask for 1940's then? I agree we don't want to limit it so much that we keep needing another category for every CD!

[CrazyJay]

I have to confess I have no idea what the intention of Big Beat was????

Nor do many others judging by the fact there are only 5 items in there, most possibly mis-read it as Big Band.

BIG BEAT was used as terminology for a small portion of Rock'n'Roll - It encompassed bands such as Jimmy Cavello, Freddie & The Bell Boys, The Jodimars, and probaby Bill Haley and possibly Fats Domino to some degree - But it is such a minor classification as to be pointless.

those items should really be listed under 1950's Rock'n'Roll.

Personally I'd like to see a complete re-vamp of the music section to break it down into era - Then into the various styles withn that era.

Thsi would mean that proper rock'n'roll form the 1950's didn't get lumped in with all the modern pop that seems to be mis-labelled rock'n'roll.

it would also mean that proper R&B - (Rhythm & Blues) could be found easily (1950's - 1960's) and seen as clearly different from the R&B (Rhythm & Bass) which is it's own classification.

[SantasWonderland]

I am planning on asking for a category in CD's for crooners like Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, etc. Most of the music is 1940's but not Big Band.

Would you like to see Crooners? or 1940's? or something else?

Please help and I'll request the category.

Right now there is nothing for this type of music and it's spread out all over, from rock to easy listening to other.

Crooners
Because they were recording and releasing music right up to the eighties. Also you could put the likes of Tony Bennett, Matt Monro, Andy Williams, Tony Christie in etc.

As for Big Beat:
Big beat is a term employed since the mid 1990s by the British music press to describe much of the music by artists such as The Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, The Crystal Method, Propellerheads and The Prodigy, typically driven by heavy breakbeats and synthesizer-generated loops and patterns in common with established forms of electronic dance music such as Techno and Acid House

[klj]

I think one of the things to keep in mind is that some sellers will not be experts on music and still have some CD's to sell. The more general the categories, the easier it is for buyers and sellers to list and search properly. Experts can search with their specialised information.

So, we need Big Band and 1940's? I know that Crooners were releasing music for decades, but most of the music is still 1940's, so I don't think having Crooners specifically, if we have 1940's, will cause a problem.

Any more input?

[SantasWonderland]

I think one of the things to keep in mind is that some sellers will not be experts on music and still have some CD's to sell. The more general the categories, the easier it is for buyers and sellers to list and search properly. Experts can search with their specialised information.

So, we need Big Band and 1940's? I know that Crooners were releasing music for decades, but most of the music is still 1940's, so I don't think having Crooners specifically, if we have 1940's, will cause a problem.

Any more input?

I would agree with big band as the artists you mention all started with Big Band and Jazz swing through the 20's, 30's and 40's.

Out of those mentioned by you and me only one started in the 40's (Dean Martin) I just feel crooners give you a bigger scope to put more and later artists in.

When anyone mentions the likes of Crosby, Sinatra, martin etc I don't think 40's Big Band, Jazz, Etc. I think Crooners just as I do for the later ones I mentioned.

Slightly of subject, When listing, how does everyone decide which catergory to put an artist/group in if unsure of their genre. Also feel there should be 60's Pop/Beat catergory

[CrazyJay]

Perhaps there should be a set of generic age based categories for thos that don't know the actual type.

ie - Pre 1920's / 1930's - 1940's / 1950's / 1960's / 1970's / 1980's / 1990's / 2000s - etc.

Most people, even if they don't know the difference between ~Rockabilly and Rock'n'Roll or Northern Soul from Modern Funk, Punk Rock from Glam Rock would be able to look at a record and judge it by decade.

I think that each of the decades after the 50's is different enough to warrant it's own category, 30's to 40's would seem OK for that period, and I would imagine Pre 1920's would be pretty empty, but ought to be there just in case?

[CrazyJay]

Out of those mentioned by you and me only one started in the 40's (Dean Martin) I just feel crooners give you a bigger scope to put more and later artists in.

Frank Sinatra? - I'm sure he started with one of the Dorsey bands, can't remember if it was Tommy Or Jimmy though.

who was Dean Martin with? - I must admit, swing is just on the edge of my interest, so although I have some, I didn't delve into it with quite the same fanatasicm as I did with 1950's - 60's music.

Mind you....1940's R&B, which encompassed some swing is something I went into.

[SantasWonderland]

Out of those mentioned by you and me only one started in the 40's (Dean Martin) I just feel crooners give you a bigger scope to put more and later artists in.

Frank Sinatra? - I'm sure he started with one of the Dorsey bands, can't remember if it was Tommy Or Jimmy though.

who was Dean Martin with? - I must admit, swing is just on the edge of my interest, so although I have some, I didn't delve into it with quite the same fanatasicm as I did with 1950's - 60's music.

Mind you....1940's R&B, which encompassed some swing is something I went into.

Francis Albert "Frank" Sinatra (December 12, 1915 – May 14, 1998) years active as an performer 1935 - 1995
Beginning his musical career in the swing era with Harry James and Tommy Dorsey, Sinatra became a successful solo artist in the early to mid-1940s, being the idol of the "bobby soxers." His professional career had stalled by the 1950s, but it was reborn in 1954 after he won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor.


Dean Martin (June 7, 1917 – December 25, 1995) years active as a performer 1940 - 1995 He was one of the best known musical artists of the 1950s and 1960s. He was a major star in four areas of show business: concert stage, recordings, motion pictures, and television.
Nicknamed the "King of Cool

he sang with local bands. Calling himself "Dino Martini" (after the then-famous Metropolitan Opera tenor, Nino Martini), he got his first break working for the Ernie McKay Orchestra. He sang in a crooning style influenced by Harry Mills (of the Mills Brothers), among others. In the early 1940s, he started singing for bandleader Sammy Watkins, who suggested he change his name to Dean Martin.