The EU Referendum.

[astral276]

Had to laugh at Bob Geldof insinuating that Nigel Farage was a '****er', seeing as he is a tosser that has made a career out of the misery of others.

[olivia8143]

Had to laugh at Bob Geldof insinuating that Nigel Farage was a '****er', seeing as he is a tosser that has made a career out of the misery of others.

He made 4 perfectly valid points that Farage couldn't refute

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/vid...3829429782672/

I had to laugh at Farage complaining about multi millionaires (obviously forgetting that he's one)

[tony41]

I would say it's the same. They should have to declare their connection. Particularly if that connection has any possibility of influencing their work.

I repeat that it is worse. Yvette Cooper and Ed Ball are both members of the Labour Party. Nicola Sturgeon and Peter are both members of the SNP. There is no apparent connection between Sarah Vine and Michael Gove which makes it worse, IMHO.

[emmily121]

Olivia, did you read those Facebook messages before you posted the link? I read almost 30 of the messages before I read anyone supporting Geldof

[olivia8143]

Olivia, did you read those Facebook messages before you posted the link? I read almost 30 of the messages before I read anyone supporting Geldof

No Emmily I already know that the Brexiters have big mouths lol.
Farage made an unfortunate choice of vessel it appears http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7083231.html

[westlondoncarparts]

He made 4 perfectly valid points that Farage couldn't refute

https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/vid...3829429782672/

I had to laugh at Farage complaining about multi millionaires (obviously forgetting that he's one)

Nigel Farage and UKIP have been peddling untruths about the EU for years.

We had an election campaign in 1970 in which all three major political parties said that they would seek entry into the European Economic Community. Edward Heath’s Government brought to the Westminster Parliament the terms and conditions it had negotiated to sign the Treaty of Rome which established the European Economic Community and around 300 hours of often very heated debate followed in the Parliament. The Westminster Parliament approved the terms and conditions of EEC membership. The ensuing European Communities Act 1972 was signed by the Queen. In 1975, the EEC Referendum result showed around two thirds of the voters voting to stay in the EEC.

One of the worst lies is that back in the 1970s we joined a trade market only and that all the rest of what the EU is about now is something that has been done to the British against our will and without our agreement. The truth is that joining the EEC was not just about joining a trade market, it was also about joining a Community to build a better Europe, a Community in which the UK was a stakeholder.

The Treaty of Rome was signed by Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister, in Brussels on 22 January 1972. We became full members on 1st January 1973. Three summits of EEC leaders were held between the UK signing the Treaty of Rome and the UK Referendum on EEC membership in 1975. Links to web pages with information about the summits are given below. The subject matter of the summits included economic and monetary and political union and other matters beyond what would be expected of a trade market only. The subject matter of the summits was reported upon widely in the mainstream British press and was discussed in British television current affairs programmes. They were matters that were very much in the public forum of debate in the run up to the 1975 Referendum. The internet links show very clearly how Nigel Farage and UKIP have misled the UK electorate with false statements that we joined a trade market only. He is entitled to wish to leave the EU and to encourage other people with the same desire if he so wishes but he should stick to the truth and not make things up.

About time that somebody called out Nigel Farage for presenting misleading and inaccurate information.

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In October 1972 the first summit of the enlarged European Economic Community was held, part of the extract of the communiqué at the end of the summit being given at:
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203015

Other information about the summits can be found as follows.

Paris Summit in October 1972
http://aei.pitt.edu/1919/1/paris_1972_preparations.pdf

Copenhagen Summit in December 1973
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203013

Paris Summit in December 1974
http://fc95d419f4478b3b6e5f-3f71d0fe...C0350A12BC.pdf

[olivia8143]

Nigel Farage and UKIP have been peddling untruths about the EU for years.

We had an election campaign in 1970 in which all three major political parties said that they would seek entry into the European Economic Community. Edward Heath’s Government brought to the Westminster Parliament the terms and conditions it had negotiated to sign the Treaty of Rome which established the European Economic Community and around 300 hours of often very heated debate followed in the Parliament. The Westminster Parliament approved the terms and conditions of EEC membership. The ensuing European Communities Act 1972 was signed by the Queen. In 1975, the EEC Referendum result showed around two thirds of the voters voting to stay in the EEC.

One of the worst lies is that back in the 1970s we joined a trade market only and that all the rest of what the EU is about now is something that has been done to the British against our will and without our agreement. The truth is that joining the EEC was not just about joining a trade market, it was also about joining a Community to build a better Europe, a Community in which the UK was a stakeholder.

The Treaty of Rome was signed by Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister, in Brussels on 22 January 1972. We became full members on 1st January 1973. Three summits of EEC leaders were held between the UK signing the Treaty of Rome and the UK Referendum on EEC membership in 1975. Links to web pages with information about the summits are given below. The subject matter of the summits included economic and monetary and political union and other matters beyond what would be expected of a trade market only. The subject matter of the summits was reported upon widely in the mainstream British press and was discussed in British television current affairs programmes. They were matters that were very much in the public forum of debate in the run up to the 1975 Referendum. The internet links show very clearly how Nigel Farage and UKIP have misled the UK electorate with false statements that we joined a trade market only. He is entitled to wish to leave the EU and to encourage other people with the same desire if he so wishes but he should stick to the truth and not make things up.

About time that somebody called out Nigel Farage for presenting misleading and inaccurate information.

*****************************

In October 1972 the first summit of the enlarged European Economic Community was held, part of the extract of the communiqué at the end of the summit being given at:
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203015

Other information about the summits can be found as follows.

Paris Summit in October 1972
http://aei.pitt.edu/1919/1/paris_1972_preparations.pdf

Copenhagen Summit in December 1973
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203013

Paris Summit in December 1974
http://fc95d419f4478b3b6e5f-3f71d0fe...C0350A12BC.pdf

II don't know why we bother Robert. It's like banging your head against a wall with this lot.

[astral276]

I repeat that it is worse. Yvette Cooper and Ed Ball are both members of the Labour Party. Nicola Sturgeon and Peter are both members of the SNP. There is no apparent connection between Sarah Vine and Michael Gove which makes it worse, IMHO.

I wasn't aware, until recently, of the connection between Cooper and Balls, and Sturgeon and Murrell. Cooper and Balls is particularly bad as he has been rejected by the electorate but obviously, by virtue of the relationship, will still have influence in matters of government.

No idea who Sarah Vine is, or if her output is biased towards her husband in any way, but the press/media always has an editorial bias which the recipient has to take into account in any information presented.

My original query still stands though; is the use of their maiden names by female politicians (married to another politician) for the reason I suggested or is there a less scurrilous reason (e.g. they use the name they were originally elected under)?

[sidthelamp]

Nigel Farage and UKIP have been peddling untruths about the EU for years.

We had an election campaign in 1970 in which all three major political parties said that they would seek entry into the European Economic Community. Edward Heath’s Government brought to the Westminster Parliament the terms and conditions it had negotiated to sign the Treaty of Rome which established the European Economic Community and around 300 hours of often very heated debate followed in the Parliament. The Westminster Parliament approved the terms and conditions of EEC membership. The ensuing European Communities Act 1972 was signed by the Queen. In 1975, the EEC Referendum result showed around two thirds of the voters voting to stay in the EEC.

One of the worst lies is that back in the 1970s we joined a trade market only and that all the rest of what the EU is about now is something that has been done to the British against our will and without our agreement. The truth is that joining the EEC was not just about joining a trade market, it was also about joining a Community to build a better Europe, a Community in which the UK was a stakeholder.

The Treaty of Rome was signed by Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister, in Brussels on 22 January 1972. We became full members on 1st January 1973. Three summits of EEC leaders were held between the UK signing the Treaty of Rome and the UK Referendum on EEC membership in 1975. Links to web pages with information about the summits are given below. The subject matter of the summits included economic and monetary and political union and other matters beyond what would be expected of a trade market only. The subject matter of the summits was reported upon widely in the mainstream British press and was discussed in British television current affairs programmes. They were matters that were very much in the public forum of debate in the run up to the 1975 Referendum. The internet links show very clearly how Nigel Farage and UKIP have misled the UK electorate with false statements that we joined a trade market only. He is entitled to wish to leave the EU and to encourage other people with the same desire if he so wishes but he should stick to the truth and not make things up.

About time that somebody called out Nigel Farage for presenting misleading and inaccurate information.

*****************************

In October 1972 the first summit of the enlarged European Economic Community was held, part of the extract of the communiqué at the end of the summit being given at:
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203015

Other information about the summits can be found as follows.

Paris Summit in October 1972
http://aei.pitt.edu/1919/1/paris_1972_preparations.pdf

Copenhagen Summit in December 1973
http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=203013

Paris Summit in December 1974
http://fc95d419f4478b3b6e5f-3f71d0fe...C0350A12BC.pdf

i see your still sayin the electoral new what they were voting for in 1975 your justification for this is , it was presented via various media, your assuming the voters all saw a comprehensive unbiased view of different takes on the argument ,then why as you have stated did the voting slip not mention a political /monetary union as well, it simply shows the electorate were asked to vote for a continuation of the common market does it not, after what you say was freely available and debated, why would it not be on the voting slip,at the very least the voting slip asked people to vote on a common market , which was a very small part of what was actually voted on, taken with your own assumptions of what was told at the time you have to agree a some what misleading voting slip,



the country did not knowingly vote for a political union in 1975, this is the question and answers available on the actual voting slip,

The question to be asked to the British electorate that was set out within the legislation was:
Do you think that the United Kingdom should remain part of the European Community (the Common Market)?
permitting a simple YES / NO answer.

[emmily121]

Here's a question for the Remainers.

If the UK was not in the EU and next week's vote was to join the EU (in its current state of crisis after crisis) would you vote 'Yes' and if so, what would the benefits of joining the EU be for the UK?