The EU Referendum.

[MPS16]

When she spoke on TV she said it was the poster that was the trigger. I suppose she, like many others on the Remain side, don't want immigration discussed because they have no answer to it. It also lays waste to all those years screaming 'racist', 'xenophobe', 'bigot', 'Little Englander', and the like at people who dare raise the issue to cow them into silence. Such words have lost all meaning as they are now just used as weapons.

The killer was radicalised years ago. Being made to feel a second class citizen in his native country likely did that - a lesson that should have been learned from the start of the last war.

What a ridiculous argument, in defence of a killer. That means the disabled are radicalised, the LGBT community, the poor, the fat, the smokers et al.

To suggest that the killer was radicalised over a long period of time and not by the arguments put foreward by we Brexit Supporters is not ridiculous

Nor is it in anyway a defence of the actions of the killer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36574254

[PetBazaar]

I would imagine that to radicalise someone in this way you might, perhaps, go about it like this:



Or maybe like this:



Our politicians and media really do have a lot to answer for.

[PetBazaar]

Interesting talk from the Professor of European Law at Liverpool Uni. It seems that he's not a fan of either campaign and it makes a bit of a change from the usual political soundbites. The light shed on post Brexit trade and international relations as well as the observations on the practicalities and timescales of renegotiating trade deals are worth a watch. Much more sobering are the points about disentagling our legal system, the capacity of our civil sevice to renegotiate new deals and the relative lack of trading influence that the UK has in a post Brexit world. If you've got a spare 25 mins it's worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

[astral276]

I would imagine that to radicalise someone in this way you might, perhaps, go about it like this:

I was referring more to him having reportedly bought bomb making, weapon making, and other such material years ago from a far right group. He then, again reportedly, 'took a break' from such activities. What set him off again is debatable, but the uncontrolled swarm of migrants and refugees across Europe with the seeming blessing of the EU (Ma Merkel's "Kommen man, kommen alle") likely didn't help. So he was radicalised long before the referendum got under way.

Our politicians and media really do have a lot to answer for.

That is a truth, but when reasoned discussion of an issue is denied then it will become polarised to both extremes.

[astral276]

The European Union must change "dramatically" if Britain remains a member after Thursday's referendum, Jeremy Corbyn has insisted.

He, and others, are seriously deluded if they think they will get any changes post referendum. Far from changing course they will stamp on the accelerator to one state one government. Even Cameron's joke negotiations will never happen, and there will be nothing we can do about it.

If you don't want to go where the EU is going you need to ring the bell to get off the bus now, because there are no more stops on the way.

[tony41]

If you don't want to live in Nigel's xenophobic world, vote remain.

[emmily121]

If you want a reasonable living pension when you retire, Vote Leave...

[moonwitch]

I would imagine that to radicalise someone in this way you might, perhaps, go about it like this:



Or maybe like this:



Our politicians and media really do have a lot to answer for.

Nicked the Express montage for my new Facebook cover photo

[Salomina27]

My family are from Guernsey....my mum was born there.

I think the exit camp gets my vote just for that

Mine too, I was affronted when I heard that comparison on the news. I spent a lot of years in Guernsey , it's my second home. The Guernsey people are some of the sweetest, kindest, genuine and most lovely people I have ever met. And Sarnia beautiful Sarnia, Ihave even written a song about it, is also the most magical place I ever lived in, shame it's been so taken over by so many sharks exploiting the tax benefits.

[astral276]

If you don't want to live in Nigel's xenophobic world, vote remain.

I wasn't aware that Nigel was going to be running the show post referendum; he hasn't even made it to MP yet (though that may be down to Conservative election fraud). Plus, all the same people that are in the country now will still be here regardless of the result; they will have, on both sides, the same failings and prejudices as they have today.

Basing your decision on which way to vote on anything other than the central issue (the one posed on the voting form - Remain in or Leave the EU) shows that you do not understand the question being asked.