To the violent "Muslims"......

[jarremachine]

Is this today's argument thread?

Well, I did start the thread pointing to the difference between "true-by-the-book (the Koran) Muslims and the violent "muslims" re: cartoon violence, but never mind, eh! That's another thread killed off!

Ho hum
scratch me bum

[minkyrra]

Well, I did start the thread pointing to the difference between "true-by-the-book (the Koran) Muslims and the violent "muslims" re: cartoon violence, but never mind, eh! That's another thread killed off!

Ho hum
scratch me bum

*kicks his bum*



sorry about this jarremachine,

it was salesmans bnp quotes that set this off, not your opening post

im out of it now, said my piece, dont think i can make it any clearer than i have

have a wonderful day everyone

[damian_steele]

damian, i havent read one line in isolation at all

So why choose to highlight that single line and make it appear as though that's what you were commenting on?

all i have tried to point out is that to be born and bred in the uk, you do not have to be white.

As I already said, where did I state that you had to be?


to be able to understand and be understood when using the english language, you do not have to be white.

i am shocked that you wish to now take this to a personal level, with comments or questions about my 'background' as you put it


my comments have nothing to do with my own background

You can be as shocked as you wish. Your choosing to take my comments as a personal matter reveals more about how you think than I do.

Everybody's background, their up-bringing, the people around them, the environment they were in and the events they were witness to, has a direct bearing on how they think and feel later in life. Your choosing to see my comments as racist rather than how I meant them to come across is clearly a reflection of what has happened to you throughout your life.

My point was, and is, that instead of assuming other people are racist, perhaps you should look at your own life and work out why you choose to interpret such comments in that way.

i did not comment about your wish for your doctor to be born and bred in the uk - as they may well indeed have a better command of of the english language,

my comments were about you wanting them to be white.

Do you concede that in the circumstances that foreigners are LESS LIKELY to have a good understanding of the english language and are LESS LIKELY to be trained and have been examined using the same system as we use in the UK. Yes?

Therefore it is MORE LIKELY that a person of foreign appearance is going to fail to meet the criteria I first gave for wishing to have them as my doctor and so is MORE LIKELY to be a risk to my health through a lack of understanding and/or training.

So, whether they later turn out to have been born and bred here or not, the chances are that judging by appearance the white doctor will be MORE LIKELY to be the one I want to treat me.

[damian_steele]

I find it strange for a hospital to employ a foriegn doctor who has little knowlegde of the english language?

So do I. And your point is?

[chanel5]

So do I. And your point is?

my point being is, you should sort this out with yr local NHS, I know for a fact, I would not accept this?

[damian_steele]

The reply from any hospital who has foreigners in non-specialist medical jobs is that there aren't enough staff available within the UK. So complaining to the hospital or NHS trust makes no difference.

This problem can only be solved at national level and the government are aware of it. The question is whether they are doing enough to resolve it.

[thisnthatz]

My comments came about in response to the original post in this thread. And the discussion that if a few cartoons could incite so much hatred, damage and repercussions then as a society we should all be worried. Especially, if there is such a rapid increase to the general populous that could then make society unstable.

The comments regarding the NHS, there should be no need to keep pumping more money into an endless pit. But what money is being spent should be spent wisely. Currently there are appointments and operations being cancelled due to a failure to communicate between doctors and patients. There is a vast amount of money paid for mangers and interpreters, but for who? One of the reasons there are not enough medical staff in the NHS is because the money is diverted into the incorrect directions in many cases and cheaper labour is brought in to cover the shortfalls.

Regarding the BNP comment. The comment may have come from one of their websites but it is not where I received the information from. The information I quoted was received from Radio 4, which is normally a very well balanced channel. In fact there was about 5 minutes airtime given to the subject and all parties were voicing concern.

I have not put this post in bold in case it stands out and gives the wrong message.

[altogethernow123]

Where did I state that a person did?

I said that if the doctor is white there is a far higher chance that they will understand the language and have the appropriate training. At no point did I state that non-whites do not also have a chance of meeting these criteria, merely than whites have a greater chance IMO based on my experience so far. Since when does empirical observation make me a racist?

So it was personal observation rather than theory. That IMO does not make you racist.

[dogboy]

I today was treated at hospital by a man who appeared to be a non uk national. But to me weather he was, or was not a uk national is not important, what matters is weather he is competant enough to do his job, and has the relevant qualifications and experience. Black/white, uk/non uk national, what difference does it make?

[jarremachine]

The difference is, this thread WAS on about the fanatical muslims and their behavior and not blooming hospitals

The difference, refering to your question, is that it would be a lot safer, especially for the patient if one could understand and be made understood with our native english language and THAT was the point.

I am hard of hearing, I wear two hearing aids and the last thing I need in a hospital is to barely understand a foreign doctor who can barely speak english

This thread has nowt to do with being prejudice and it certainly lost the plot about fanatical muslims, which is what the thread was supposed to be about

But never mind, eh?


Just one of the many reasons for my not posting on these forums!

This thread has now been closed due to the diversity of the subject matter!